Brian said

Aged raw puerh vs ripe puerh

Ok. So i have found out Ripe puerh was created to mimic aged raw puerh. Going thru the ripe puerh process is a way to “speed up” the process of 20+ years of aging a raw puerh.

The oldest raw puerh i have had a chance to taste are around 10-12 years old. My question is this….

Do 20+ year old raw puerhs actually have a flavor profile similar to ripe puerhs? Because the 10-12 year old raws i have tasted are no where near the flavors of a ripe puerh.

Hope this made sense. :-P

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boychik said

I’ve tried some aged sheng (not a lot ) but its nowhere close to ripe puerh. And thats OK. i love them all !

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Garret said

HI Brian!

Raw and ripe pu’er, even though they are both given the name “pu’er”, are really two different animals. Aged raw teas will never taste like ripe style teas – the processing is so very different.

I’m with boyckik, I like them both. But I’ve met many passionate raw pu’er lovers who cannot stand ripe tea and consider it a desecration to the leaf. Each to their own, for sure.

Enjoy, my friend!

Garret

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mrmopar said

I agree with Garret and boychik. I would also say that “proper” storage is necessary for both. Especially sheng as it will absorb any odors around it. Shou will also to a lesser extent. You will have to find out which type of storage you like. Traditional with high humidity as in Hong Kong or Malaysia or dry storage as in a place like Kunming.
As said above some like one or the other and many as I enjoy both.

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I agree with boychik, Garret, and mrmopar. I enjoy both. Just make sure you do give both a chance. Don’t go by what you hear or read. Try both and decide for yourself if you like both, neither, or one or the other. I’m actually running low on both. Speaking of, Garret, I saw you ran a sale of 15% off a few months ago. Just didn’t see it then. Will you be running another sale like that anytime soon? Looking at several of Mandala teas to order.

Garret said

Tea Junkie… message me at [email protected] :)

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I prefer sheng (raw) and cannot stand the smell/taste of shou (ripe) pu er. Tried it numerous times, but yuck….
No expert (mrmopar is) but sheng is more complex…. imho

mrmopar said

I am a newbie! Thanks for the flattery but I try to learn each day.
Sandra wished you live around here I could send you some things you may like. On the other hand give me some time and I will get you something. I followed you so we can message.
Tea junkie, definately email Garret. He will hook you up.

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Cwyn said

Ripes are either heavily fermented or lightly fermented. The light leaves room for the tea to age more and develop more complexity. Either way, ripes really do need to rest and breathe out for a few years. They go from red to more brown in the cup which is when I tend to like them better. At that point the “yuck” that some find in shou is pretty much gone. So I prefer 3-5 years old at least.

mrmopar said

+1 Cwyn. A resting period is a must. That’s why Dayi always holds the shou at least 6 months before releasing product.

SarsyPie said

Light fermentation FTW!!!! I’m so happy that I finally came around to shou. It was worth the effort!

Cwyn said

Winter now I’m drinking a lot more ripe to keep my feet warm. Summer is full-on sheng tea drunk every day. Hehe

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Hello Brian,

This may sound confusing but the answer is both YES and NO. Allow me to explain.

YES – if the raw teacake was wet stored. Wet storage or HK storage uses high humidity and temperature to speed up the aging process of a raw teacake. There are various levels of wet storage (light/medium/heavy), under heavy wet storage a raw teacake can become very similar to ripe puerh.

Unfortunately because wet storage can alter a raw teacake quite drastically within a short period of time it has been used as a way to misrepresent the true age of teas. If you are interested I wrote about this at the link provided below
http://theguidetopuerhtea.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-tea-market-series-in-china-article_30.html

NO – if the raw teacake was left to naturally age under what we call dry storage conditions. Should this be the case for 20 years then the raw teacake will be vastly different to a ripe puerh. The raw teacake in this case will have a more vibrant aged character and possess complexity and nuances. The tradeoff is that raw teacakes that are naturally aged take a long, long time to reach maturity.

Hope this helps.
VP

mrmopar said

Hi VP,
Glad you were able to join us! I followed you and if you follow me we can message. Just click on my name and the follow option should pop up.
I got VP over here from TeaChat he is starting an excellent blog on puerh as well. Blog link.
http://theguidetopuerhtea.blogspot.com/

Thank you for the kind words Mr Mopar

It will be my pleasure to share my opinions based on my experience where I can.

Best, VP

Cwyn said

This new blog is excellent. Have added it to my reading list. His tea collection is amazing. I plan to offer to show up in racy outfit and with empty cup.

Hello Cwyn,
Thank you kindly for the compliments.

I dont know whether to be pleased or to be scared! Just joking, I am very pleased to hear that :)

Best, VP

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