AllanK said

Is Verdant's New "Tea" Crassicolumna For Real

Verdant is now selling a tea mad from a near relative of the tea plant they claim is caffeine free. What I want to know, is this for real? Actual tea that is caffeine free? Or are they selling tea from 1800 year old trees again? I am really tempted to order this because they say it is caffeine free. A tea I could drink at night with my insomnia. Sounds too good to be true.

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Drink for taste.

AllanK said

If it before 3 pm I do as you say drink for taste, after 3 pm I go by caffeine content. If this stuff is actually caffeine free I might try it and see what it tastes like.

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bef said

Not sure I would call that stuff tea, but if it actually is Crassicolumna, then it looks like it’s caffeine free: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19128040

Then, you need to trust the vendor to know what he’s sourcing and be honest about what he’s selling – that’s up to you…

AllanK said

The problem I have is this is Verdant. They don’t have a good record with trustworthiness. A while ago they were lying about the age of their tea trees. Who is to say they are not selling normal tea and calling it this crassicolomna.

LuckyMe said

I think they’d know better than to fake normal tea as herbal. That would get discovered pretty quickly . I can understand being wary of them after the tree age debacle. Based on everything I’ve seen, it largely had to do with them getting involved with a product they really weren’t knowledgeable about (puerh).

I feel they are fairly transparent about where they source most of their teas from and from my experience, the Laoshan teas are consistently good.

Babble said

So what was this exactly about them lying about the age of their trees? I missed this.

AllanK said

@Babble search for thread called Transparency in the Tea Industry I think it was. They falsely claimed a tea was from 1800 year old trees.

Babble said

@AllanK – well that was a nice endless hole of late night reading I found myself into. Wow! So we never really got a followup rebuttal from them, did we? I saw Lily’s initial response, but then when Scott countered, I never saw Lily counter back.

AllanK said

@Babble, no she never countered Scott’s argument.

AllanK said

Tried the crassicolumna sheng last night. I expected something bitter and a little bit unpleasant. I was very surprised. It had a sweet note from the start. It did have a bit of a medicinal taste in the early steeps. It was good, I don’t know if it was worth what they were charging.

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AJ said

Crassicolumna? I was under the assumption that irrawadiensis was the caffeine-free one, and not particularly tasty either. And off the top of my head, the caffeine claim was found to not be entirely true. Hold that thought, and let me see what I can dig up.

Edit: Well that’s annoying. There are no papers that compare irrawadiensis and crassicolumna side by side. Irrawadiensis is considered a closer relative to sinensis than crassicolumna.

Crassicolumna was shown to be caffeine free by HPLC analysis, and had promising amounts of antioxidants & other health-promoting molecules (and the conclusion promoted its use as a caffeine-free tea). Global Tea Breeding stated that crassicolumna had no significant difference in caffeine content from other species, but no reference is given.

Another study that included irrawadiensis but not crassicolumna used chloroform to extract caffeine, and found irrawadiensis to be caffeine-free. But (from my gist of their tables) lower flavanol and amino acid levels than sinensis or assamica. Another study showed that irrawadiensis made up for its lack of the caffeine alkaloid by having higher theobromine. One study suggested it had a very low (<0.02%) caffeine content.

It looks like only one major study (published in 2009) totes crassicolumna’s caffeine-free nature and makes a point of suggesting that it would be a good tea substitute. All the results I’m getting keep circling around to the same paper (the one bef linked).

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LuckyMe said

I’m more intrigued by their other caffeine free herbal, Laoshan Gan Zao Ye, which is supposed to have a green tea like flavor:
http://verdanttea.com/teas/spring-wild-laoshan-gan-zao-ye-ziziphus-jujube-leaf-herbal-tea/

AllanK said

I ordered that one as well as the crassicolmna sheng and black tea. I will know next week how they are. And I will find out one way or the other if they have caffeine.

Ubacat said

I was looking at that one too. Almost makes me want to put in a Verdant order.

AJ said

The black crassicolumna one does look quite nice, but I’m a sucker for elegant tea-leaf photos.

If you’re willing to do the science: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDvyPjloAdI However, there may be another alkaloid in crassicolumna that replaces the caffeine, and might readily dissolve in alcohol in its place.

AllanK said

I will review them on here when I get them. I ordered the crassicolumna in sheng and black tea and the other herbal they are selling that is supposed to have similarities to green tea. I didn’t buy in any quantity as they charge a fortune for it.

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AllanK said

@AJ that was an interesting video. Except I don’t need to extract caffeine from coffee. Usually I want less caffeine not more.

AJ said

I meant it more for applying the science of seeing what you would get out of a reportedly “caffeine-free tea”.

AllanK said

It would be interesting to see someone try to extract caffeine from this crassicolumna just to prove it’s actually caffeine free but I’m not up to attempting it.

AJ said

Yup. I’d make a day of it. Although with Verdant’s prices it doesn’t really seem worth it to waste too much tea on an experiment.

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