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93

This has a production date of 2011. I heated the water in my usual way – 12 oz heated until the kettle got loud. Turned it off. As it stopped roaring I opened the lid and listened until the kettle became silent. Then I did something different. I poured the water in to my press, then added the leaf. O My Goodness! The flavor coming out of the press was like being in a fancy kitchen. Buttery asparagus, maybe squash. I don’t know my veggie smells well but it was incredible. The taste is just as fresh as the day I opened the sample. I can’t imagine that the superfine can be better than this. How do you improve on perfection? Buttery green goodness that flows like cream across the tongue. It has a nice bite at the end of the sip and a lingering fresh green aftertaste.

Funny, when I drink jasmine pearls, I think this is the best tea ever. Then I have this one and think this is my absolute favorite. Let’s face it, if I had only these two teas (and an Earl Grey) in my tea drawer I could be very content for a very long time.

Azzrian

That review turned me on a little.

ashmanra

LOL! You guys!

Ninavampi

hahaha…

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93

I haven’t been posting the last couple days. Steepster has been creepster. Time to up the rating on this one a bit. Three cups before I ran out of time today. I think I love the smell of this in the pot almost as much as sipping it.

Bonnie

I know It’s been wierd!

SimplyJenW

Ha, Creepster is right! Either that or Sleepster…..

K S

Sleepster?! Oooh that’s good. Or really sad. Either way it’s funny.

ashmanra

Same here. I have given up a couple of times, and I noticed that some of my likes didn’t take. :(

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93

A little insight into how truly strange I am – this morning on my way to work my inner Sheldon came out and I started wondering, if Spock drank tea what would he drink? Sad I know. Then I thought, wouldn’t that make a great bit on Big Bang Theory? I can hear them point/counterpointing until agreement was reached. I’ve only seen a few episodes, they may have already had the debate.

My thoughts are he would not drink Earl Grey, or any flavored tea, with the possible exception of Jasmine Dragon Pearls. I would rule out black tea all together. I think he would go green or white. His logical side would be fascinated by complexity. My two choices would be Silver Needle white, or Dragon Well green. He is vegetarian, and while the white tea is subtle and meditative, I lean towards Dragon Well for its heartier layers of vegetal goodness. So in honor of Spock I lift up multiple cups today.

I mentioned this to a co-worker who just turned and walked away. Halfway up the hall he stopped, turned, and said, “I think his mother’s human side would come out and he would just drink Lipton black tea.” Say it isn’t so! Oh, wait do I detect sarcasm? I suspect he wasn’t taking this seriously. I do give him credit for trying to assimilate all aspects of the equation into his reasoning but that is specifically why I made room for the possible inclusion of Jasmine Dragon Pearls. Wasn’t that obvious?

To my fellow geeks that are still with me – this is true for northern hemisphere dwellers, not sure it all applies below the equator. This is for April 2012. Go outside tonight just after the sun goes down. The bright ‘star’ high in the western sky is Venus. Below it near the horizon and much dimmer but still bright is Jupiter. Easily seen even in twilight. As it gets darker turn East and high in the sky, the moderately bright red ‘star’ is Mars. Now turn southwest. The three stars in a row are Orion’s belt. The bright red star above it is Betelgeuse (beetle juice) and below the belt is Rigel. It’s actually a double star. Close to the belt and on the Rigel side is a fuzzy patch that you might interpret as a star. This is the Great Orion Nebula. Later this summer you can see the Andromeda galaxy with your naked eyes. It is bigger than the moon and you have never noticed it because it is fairly dim and doesn’t look like the pictures.

See, I am not just another pretty face. I know stuff.

Azzrian

Wait I thought somewhere I read that Spock DID drink tea – or was that someone else?

LiberTEAS

Captain Picard drank tea. He liked Earl Grey. Hot.

Bonnie

I went to see the stars at Rocky Mt. National Park last Summer with a gazing group…unfortunately I was almost blind at the time…but my grandkids loved it. 9,000 ft. high and clear with some big telescopes! Now that I can see I want to do it again!!!

K S

@Bonnie, I want to go with you! I have been to star parties where there were 18" diameter scopes. I can’t imagine being out under pristine skies with even our moderate 8" scope. Stupid light pollution.

gmathis

Excellent and irrefutable logic. (I haven’t noticed yet … if Sheldon drinks tea, what kind does he drink?)

ashmanra

If you own an. iPad, one of my favorite apps is GoSkyWatch. Hold it up to the sky and it tells you what you are looking at, and there are other features as well. I LOVE it!

K S

@gmathis, I have noticed them making tea often on BB. Sorry to say it appears to be bagged Lipton. Amatuer nerds.

Terri HarpLady

I know this post is 2 years old, but I just read it for the first time, & I love it! I’m thinking Spock would be definitely a green tea & raw puerh (the older the better) kind of guy.

K S

I like the way you think. Two years to think on this – he probably would really drink some Vulcan herbal concoction. I just want to believe otherwise.

Christina / BooksandTea

This is exactly the sort of thing I do sometimes, though I try to think of book characters that certain teas remind me of, as opposed to TV/film. Leads to fun tea reviews that way.

K S

Cool.

Terri HarpLady

I tend to visualize musical ensembles, LOL.

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93

Another one of ‘those’ teas that has changed my perceptions. I used to think I didn’t much care for straight green and that they were all alike – they all taste like grass. What a difference a year makes. This stuff is amazing. I think I originally thought this smelled like vegetables. Today it quickly turned to buttered popcorn without the guilt or the salt. I gave up trying to figure out how to measure the leaf. I just get a scoop and then grab a small handful more and toss in. Looks like a forest floating in my press. Maybe there are better versions out there, but honestly, I don’t care. This is awesome tea.

Scatterbrain

This stuff reminded me of a Japanese green tea but softer on the vegetal aspect, more buttery, and without the bitterness. I loved it too, and I don’t know about you but I’ve found that this one is best when brewed with low temperature water for no more than a minute and a half. This tea taught me to appreciate how brewing delicately can result in the best drinking experience, where before I always wanted a strong cup.

Bonnie

I love your ’throw caution to the wind…get naked and drink tea attitude to brewing this tea and just enjoying it! Fantastic! The whole point right there!

MegWesley

I love your method of measuring out leaf. My method is slowly turning out that way since I am still trying to figure out a good ratio of leaf to water.

K S

@Kwinter – agreed on the lower temps and time for this one. I forgot on the second cup and got it too hot. Not near as good as it could have been
@Bonnie – LOL, literally. You made my day with that reply. Always glad to know there are others out there that get it.
@MegWesley – I am careful to measure most of my teas but some of them (like this one) are kind of difficult to judge and they just seem to demand over indulging with the leaf.

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I had two or three on my list as possibles to brew this day. This one had the largest amount left in the sample bag. A couple things really struck me when I grabbed the bag. First, I was reminded of Charles’ review yesterday when he said something like – I know Dragon Well and this is good Dragon Well. Next, I saw ‘Premium’ on the label which is a word that is thrown around a lot and most of us are immune to realizing it has real meaning outside of marketing. Then I had a moment of clarity where I was humbled by the realization of how little I know about tea. Further, I was made even more grateful than before for the abundant and exquisite variety of samples I have received from Teavivre. I would never have tried any of these on my own. In fact I was perfectly content with my grocery store teas. I still have a few favorites I continue to drink but more and more, I find myself comparing everything to these samples. OK, this is just tea I am talking about, but in many ways it has paralleled a spiritual experience for me.

Off my ramble on to the tea:

The dry leaf smells of fresh cut grass. The brew has an almost meaty aroma. The sip is of buttered vegetables. There is the slightest pleasant taste of grass in the aftertaste. This cup is a beautiful thing.

Charles Thomas Draper

Tea does lead to spiritual experiences.

K S

Your preachin’ to the choir brother,

cteresa

I love dragon well, it might well became my favorite tea. Do you know what grade that one is? The two uppermost grades have names, wikipedia calls it superior and special, premium might be a translation of one of those. And when buying chinese packed dragonwell (or tea in general) it´s got that number code, and one of the algarisms represents the grade, just can not remember which one (but the grades vary from tea type to tea type, I think, anyway).

K S

Teavivre’s website says this is gade 1.

cteresa

Ah, that is also the highest grade I have drunk (and maybe the highest grade i would pay money for, the other grades seem so expensive and things so easily forged and altered anyway). So the “premium” is just meaningless I guess!

K S

Per the standard grading system it does not seem to apply. Marketing can slap the word on anything so it is meaningless from that perspective. Yet, this dragon well is the highest rated dragon well listed by Steepster under Teas. So the meaning to me is as it relates to those who drink it. Possibly a value to cost indicator? All I know is I love it more everytime I taste it. Keep in mind I did state how little I know about tea.

cteresa

I do not pay much attention to ratings of American teas ( American brands that is) on steepster. I think American users are much nicer when giving ratings than Europeans usually are. Seriously. So I try to not compare teas too much, I think the ratings of teas mostly drunk by Americans tend to be a but inflated when compared to european drunk tea, so when I see an American blend get 80 or 90 I do go get too enthusiastic. ( and usually when I have been able to try those highly rated teas, hmmm).

But a good, interesting opinion from an experienced person, that is much more intriguing than an average rating!

K S

I tend to find people who have similar opinions about the teas I have tried. I will say I never put a border distinction on the ratings. Kind of gives me the warm fuzzies about America. The number really only mean a lot to me if they are consistently very low. I tend to want to trust even strangers on that one.

K S

I was thinking about this a bit more – you owe it to yourself to go on Teavivre’s website and sin up to receive some samples. I highly recommend the Dragon Well, Bailin Gongfu Black, Yunnan Golden Tips, and the Dragon Pearls. These are among the best teas I have ever tasted.

cteresa

I do not particularly trust numerical ratings. And yeah, i think american blends are usually inflated. Some things on the first page of recommended teas that i do not know well completely baffle me and do not create a lot of confidence on everything else rated high.

I will keep in mind your advice, but really, if it´s the same ammount of trouble and money for me to buy tea, I prefer sources I already know and trust ;)

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93

Yum. Upping my rating.

Preparation
170 °F / 76 °C 1 min, 0 sec
ashmanra

I loved this one. It only gets better as it cools, not bitter. I just ordered some from Teavivre because this is a keeper. By signing up for an account there, I got 200 free points which is two dollars off my order, then I had a code for ten per cent off. Plus, I ordered a couple of other things and got free shipping.

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93

Day two same leaves, and I am ready to commit that I do like this tea. Those of you who crave the sharp green flavor, stick to the first day’s steeps. The second day this takes on a mild earthiness but still maintains the slightly sweet aftertaste.

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Attempted 2 tsp for 90s. The dry leaf looks just like the picture. The brew is light green. I swear the brew smells like beef stew and broccoli. Sniffed the wet leaf after pouring, yep, still beef & broccoli. The leaf is tiny new leaves and buds.

I have no idea if this is a good example of Dragon Well as I have never had it before and have yet to develop an understanding or taste for the grassy greens. Believe it or not puerh was much easier for me to learn to appreciate.

The first cup I got the water a little too hot. Tastes very green. It feels slick on the roof of my mouth. Not oily, just slick. This didn’t seem to have a lot of natural sweetness hot, but as the cup cools I get notes of slightly sweet hay in the sip and the aftertaste. I don’t detect the floral notes but again I don’t really grasp this type green tea. Second cup I got the water temp right. Tastes is more to my liking. More tealike and less grass. No bitterness. I can see this going well with Chinese take out when we order tomorrow. Chicken with pea pods, mmmmmm.

My rating is based on my experience with the previous Teavivre teas I tried. They nailed what they were aiming at with them so I imagine this does likewise.

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89

Third short steep and this is a weak, flat cup.

I wonder if the water was too hot?

Preparation
195 °F / 90 °C 0 min, 15 sec

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89

A lot of ideas got exchanged yesterday, and so in the spirit of an open mind, today I am steeping this in the shortest possible intervals. I have to confess, I was highly skeptical this would produce anything other than weak tea.

The first steep (about 5 seconds) had a bit more of a green, vegetal flavor than I’ve gotten from peony in the past. Less of the dry hay.

The second steep (also about 5 seconds) is much darker in color, since the leaves are more hydrated. The green has passed now, and this cup is all warm sun and dry hay. Always amazing to me how a tea can taste like something “dry” while having no astringency to it whatsoever.

Preparation
195 °F / 90 °C 0 min, 15 sec
Geoffrey

Hey Jim. Nice to see you willing to try the short steep. I was drinking with a tea friend all morning today, and talking a bit about what we discussed yesterday. I was reminded of one thing I forgot to point out about the mentioned method. When brewing tea this way you should generally use more leaves and less water per steeping than you typically would for a longer steep approach. This typically means about 5 grams of tea for a 4-5 ounce gaiwan or yixing pot, versus the teaspoon of tea in an 8 ounce cup that is commonly done for “western style” brewing. I don’t know how much leaf to water you used here, but I’d suggest increasing the leaf and reducing the water if you’re not already trying that.

On another note, I don’t drink white teas very often, but I find they usually yield 3-5 good short steepings, unless it’s really high quality – in which case it might be good for 6 infusions. If you’re still feeling adventurous about this, I would recommend trying it with a more robust tea sometime, like an oolong, pu-erh or Chinese black tea. I’d be interested to know if your experience is different on a second attempt.

Jim Marks

I already do a much larger leaf to water ratio than the Brit method, but I am not quite as generous with leaf as avid aficionado seem to be — mostly because I can’t cover the expense. I drink tea all day every day and I just can’t afford to be burning through 20 grams of leaf a day.

Oddly enough, after this third steep, I was able to revive these leaves and I’m on steep #5 right now. I think I just made #3 a bit too short. Once the leaves fully opened after #2, they needed more time to pull anything out (because #2 pulled out so much).

Geoffrey

But that’s just the thing, JIm… I drink all day every day too, and I can steep out one 5-gram-full gaiwan of say a quality Teiguanyin all day if I want, even for two days sometimes…

Jim Marks

Well, until I get past half a dozen steeps, that’s not happening, so… chicken/egg cart/horse, call it what you want. I can’t afford, right now, to waste tea.

Charles Thomas Draper

The two of you should have a tea talk show. Your viewpoints are very different yet you are both correct. I tried the short steep with a Pu-Erh and I wasn’t enjoying it until I let it stew. I would think with a white tea or green a shorter steep is ideal. Although you both may disagree, I enjoy a cold water brew. I brewed the Handpicked Verdant Iron Goddess for 24 hours and the result was sublime.

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89

(Realized I had this on the organic, but my package doesn’t indicate mine is organic, so I’m moving the rating over here where it belongs)

When we lived in Chicago and I had ready access to the Tea Gschwendner retail shop, I got into the habit of drinking a lot of bai mu dan. Their premium Edmond’s Collection featured a truly magical pair of white teas, one of which had leaves so untampered with from growth on the plant to steeping in the cup, so whole, so intact, so unshriveled, that you could barely get 100 grams of them in a full sized tin that would easily hold a kilo of flour. These teas were shockingly perfect to drink on brutally cold days, and on the very rare occasions that I allowed myself to indulge in a criminally over-priced to-go cup from the TG shop, it was always in bad weather, and it was always these white teas I went for.

But I’m not reviewing those teas, here. I’m reviewing a tea from TeaVivre. So why did I bring all that up?

We have a tendency to think of white teas as light, floral, sweet, fruity and the kind of thing you’d want to drink iced on a hot day. But in my experience, peony/bai mu dan style white teas are quite the opposite, and this one from TeaVivre is no exception. Notes of fresh hay, autumnal leaves, roasted squash and sun warmed cabin wood.

Exactly the kind of thing to warm you up on a brisk, winter’s day.

This leaf in particular is soft, almost buttery but not at all sweet. There is a suggestion of astringency at the finish that warns you to never, ever over steep this tea. Given that this is nearly 1/10th the price of what TG would charge for a similar leaf, this is fantastic value for money.

Except that right now in Houston it is 80 degrees, humid and we’re having an apocalyptic mosquito infestation.

Not the tea’s fault at all, though.

Preparation
200 °F / 93 °C 2 min, 0 sec

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92

This tea is really impressing me — as have all the TeaVivre teas, I have to confess.

Again, one could say that this is “what bag tea should be” in a sense. A very no-nonsense cuppa. But rather than elevating this tea to the level it belongs, such a comment would imply it was common, dull, or something of that nature, which isn’t at all what I mean.

Once upon a time, all tea was “good tea”. Then The West discovered tea and the tea growing regions of the world suddenly had to deal with economies of scale they simply weren’t prepared for. And so, traditions like putting fannings or dust into mesh bags were developed to help cover the margins. But the leaves those fannings and dust came from were, probably, at least initially, good leaves that would have made good tea.

But meanwhile black tea has gotten a bad name.

Which is a shame.

At any rate, I’m going to have to learn more about Bai Lin teas.

Preparation
195 °F / 90 °C 2 min, 0 sec
Charles Thomas Draper

I enjoy your posts.

Jim Marks

Well at least someone does ;-)

Tabby

Hey, I enjoy them, too! (And it’s fun seeing what other people are saying about the same teas I’m trying.)

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92

Second steeping was much the same as the first, but a bit softer. I dare not attempt a third.

Preparation
205 °F / 96 °C 3 min, 0 sec

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92

I have been drinking a lot of golden Yunnan lately, so I’m having to let my tongue adjust a bit, here.

And yet, perhaps not as much as you might think.

I would describe this as a more subtle, more gentle golden Yunnan. Very similar notes of roasted fruit, citrus zest, caramel and molasses… just less so. A much more gentle way of easing into one’s morning than a full bodied Yunnan would be. Or a great way to settle into a quiet evening’s repose, perhaps.

Preparation
205 °F / 96 °C 3 min, 0 sec

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97

This may be too extreme for even me. I just popped Chef-Boy-R-Dee Ravioli in the microwave because it was easy. I’m not even sure it counts as real food – mostly grease and starch I think. Then I brewed up Golden Tips because it is awesome. They don’t play well together (imagine that). A lot of the subtleties of the tea are covered in spicy sauce. Not my best move but the ravioli is gone now and I still have plenty of tea to cleanse my palate. The bread notes are already present just waiting on the sweet potato and other flavors to emerge.

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Just got our internet running again today. In the few days living off the grid like a savage beasty, I chose to enjoy many cups of just a few teas. This one is one of my more expensive teas. Much has been written about how wonderful it is. It resteeps well and is so delicious.

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This morning I jumped on Steepster and was so moved by Cwyn’s review of 2012 White2tea Giant Steps that I did the unthinkable. I reached way in the back of my tea cabinet and pulled out my beloved Golden Tips that I was saving. It has a 3 year shelf life and I have a number of boxes of samples yet to be reviewed. Getting through all of them will take a long time. I don’t care. I am going to drink that which was too valuable to open.

As I opened the bag it was heaven – cocoa, sweet potato, malt. I used a healthy pinch of leaf, then reached in and got more. No scrimping. No saving. Not today. I am going to enjoy my tea. I used my clear glass teapot. I’ve never used it before with a black tea. I was rewarded with one of the most spectacular ballets I have had the pleasure of watching in ages.

When I went to pour, things took a nasty turn. I wasn’t paying attention. The lid slipped off the pot (normally I have a finger on it) and smacked the spout knocking it cleanly off. As upset as I am that my favorite teapot is broke, I am more concerned about the cup I was about to enjoy and the leaf that is in the bottom of the pot that would resteep the rest of the day. But you know what, I have more and I’m not afraid to use it!

I am now looking for a replacement clear glass teapot. I had this one http://www.enjoyingtea.com/caseafiglte.html Previously I accidentally bumped it while cleaning and it had a hairline crack along the top of the spout. Today’s mishap broke cleanly across the spout in the other direction, so the two are unrelated. Much as I loved this one I am thinking I might try one with more of a kettle spout.

Now go grab something you are saving and drink it! Just keep your finger on the lid.

gmathis

Must be Monday.

K S

Pretty much. On the bright side my green tea powder order is now in Chicago. Won’t be long now!

Cheri

How frustrating!

TeaNecromancer

I am so sorry about your teapot! It was so pretty!

Cameron B.

I love this tea, too! Sweet potato, bready, honey goodness. :D

ashmanra

That was a beautiful pot. I love the shape…it has such classic lines. This is an awesome tea and I am very low, I must order more.

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97

Sip down. This tea, more than any other, changed my view of black (red) tea. Up to the time I tried this one, my experience with black tea was the usual Twinings and flavored tea bag fare. This beautiful tea took me places on my tea journey I didn’t even know existed – from sweet potato to malt and on to honey. Today I am even catching mild pepper notes. It re-steeps multiple times with ease. What a truly amazing tea.

Donna A

K S, this is a favorite of mine too. I can identify with you when you say teas like this changed your view of black tea.

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When I raised the blind in my office this morning it was early daylight. It is in the mid 30’s and I could see frost covering the roof of the building next door. Southern Indiana has beautiful rolling hills. I can see them off on the horizon. They are purple and there is fog rising up between the layers of hills. Yep, fall is definitely in the air.

I have a stack of unopened samples I need to review. Not today. I want something to warm my innards and put a guaranteed smile on my face. I grabbed this one. Amazingly I still have enough for today and one more down the road. Woot! There, I am smiling already. Anyway, this gets my vote for one of the most beautiful dry leaves to behold. They look like fall. Perfect choice.

This is so comforting. For a brief moment I can almost forget the troubles of my world. The company just got this years insurance quotes. I know this is going to cost me. If you are a politician, insurance person, or health care provider, don’t tell me today, so I won’t be tempted to punch you. Oops, takes another sip. Ahhh. Three much needed mugs of joy. At the moment I have heat, a roof over my head, and excellent tea. Rejoice! I say it again Rejoice!

Upped the rating!

Azzrian

Oh it sounds so lovely there! :)

Insence&Tea

Nice review. I just ordered the full leaf version of this and can’t wait for it to arrive

Mercuryhime

You could be a novelist. :)

gmathis

Here’s to a good cuppa to drown out the noise of the rest of the world.

Grace

I second that ;)

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97

I thought about having an Earl Grey-athon today, but when I arrived at work, I remembered these leaves were in the press and they still had love to share. Maybe not the jolt some of you want first thing in the morning but I need to ease into the day. The gentle goodness of this with its sweet potatoes and caramel notes is perfect,

A novice tea drinking coworker came in to my office while I was sipping and just stood around like a puppy. I knew what he wanted but I let him hang awhile. Finally I told him if you want tea you know where it is. He was in the drawer before I finished the sentence. Hilarious. He grabbed a Twinings white tea bag. I smiled and told him how to get the most out of it. He left happy.

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97

Revisited the wonderful tea this afternoon. As good as I remembered!

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97

Determined not to repeat yesterday, I took extra care in putting on the full armor this morning. I brewed this one as it so very good and in anticipation of Wednesday morning. There is an elderly lady that has been with the company forever. She comes in for half a day once a week to go through the mail and keep the owner’s checkbook. More importantly she brings snacks. Usually it is cookies – she makes the best lemon sugar cookies on the planet – today it is brownies. I always thought I hated brownies. Turns out I only hate my Mom’s brownies (sorry Mom). These are so soft and fluffy. She says the secret is to add one additional egg. They taste like a hug and brought out the bread qualities in this tea. Drank on this all morning.

Bonnie

Hooray for the old lady! My race is represented! Yo old lady!

K S

Indeed!

SimpliciTEA

“Turns out I only hate my Mom’s brownies (sorry Mom).” Same thing for me with pies. I don;t think my mom ever mad a homemade one, so I just had store-bought ones. After having a homemade one, I started becoming m ore interested in pies. About the same thing happened with chicken noodle soup and other soups that I only had from a can (Campbell’s).

I like the more fudge-y brownies. I bet the tea goes well with the brownies!

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97

2nd cup I iced. It was meh. After a couple drinks I added sweetener, which I never do to iced tea. It didn’t help. In fact, now it just tastes like Splenda. For my tastes, as magical as this is hot, it simply doesn’t have a bold enough flavor to pull off iced. Disappointed but now I know.

SimplyJenW

I will remember not to ice this one. I do love it hot, though.

ashmanra

That is why I was thinking the plain one without golden tips might be good for iced tea.

K S

Ashmanra I remembered you mentioning golden tips iced, unfortunately I remembered wrong. I knew you said dragon well didn’t work though. I tried the Keemun Hao Ya iced and I liked it that way.

Charles Thomas Draper

This is becoming one of my favorites….

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